Season 8 Intent AMA Questions Thread

We will be hosting an AMA with leadership from the Optimism Foundation and OP Labs (Jing and Bobby) on Tuesday the 24th at 6:30pm GMT to answer any questions about the Season 8 Intent.

Please comment any questions you have below about the Season 8 Intent, and the leadership team from the Optimism Foundation and OP Labs will answer questions live.

Please note - this call will not be recorded, and live questions won’t be answered. Only pre-asked questions here or by Delegates or Citizens will be answered.

The deadline for questions about the Season 8 Intent is June 22nd at 19:00 GMT. Thank you all!

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We can get the ball rolling.

  1. What is the timeline to stake the remainder of the ETH?

While we are not ecstatic about Foundation unilaterally choosing where to do so, it has got to be better than leaving it idle. While we were critical of the decision-making process to the first tranche was staked, leaving ~18,000 idle ETH is worse than just letting the Foundation choose a provider (or put it all with the existing provider).

  1. What is the timeline for governance to control its own ETH?

Leaving aside our support for quickly staking, it seems clear this not a task the Foundation is particularly suited for, eager to do, or both, just judging from it being June 2025 and only 2k ETH having been staked for yield ever.

Given the continued deteriorations in OP price, it would be very helpful to have another currency (ETH) to make grants or payments with. Even better would be a stable-asset reserve, like the ~$40m Arbitrum has built, but that requires even more empowerment of governance.

  1. Given recent communications signaling a shift towards minimizing governance control over the protocol and Superchain, what is the envisioned role for the OP token? Will it be given financial rights to offset that curtailment?

We are several years into this project, and governance does not control upgrades, does not control accrued revenue, does not control its own governance fund, does not control the governance contract, does not have a way to independently make proposals, and does not control even the OP token contract.

  1. Can we pause governance experiments?

This is referring to things like futarchy, all of the retro funding rounds, the recent attempt to institute sortition. Generally, these have all been either a waste of OP tokens or simply not impactful. The recent rejection of sortition - despite there being no organized campaign against it - demonstrates that tolerance for quirky, funky, governance experiments is at a low.

Given that the product and business plan of Optimism are in need of upgrading, instituting a detox period on political science and game theory experiments can only help everyone focus on technical and business development goals.

  1. (Our most important question, so if time is limited, only ask this one) We see that TVL is down (in both USD and ETH terms), sequencer revenue is down, token price is down. Everything is down. Interoperability has been only a few months away since at least the tail end of 2023. What is the plan?


Sequencer revenue (NB: June is still in progress)


OP and Base are steadily losing assets; Bera’s outflows as heavy incentives become less effective also relevant for various smaller Superchain members


Token price history

The Superchain as a product is predicated on interoperability being delivered, being safe, and being a value add to end users. That should be the focus of Labs, and to the extent governance can assist, we should. However, governance is probably well-positioned to assist with business development.

The Grants Council has tried to fill this role, but has consistently, across seasons, been hamstrung by jackrabbit pivots in goals, confusion about what the Superchain even is and who its members are, poor communication sharing between Foundation and governance (although this one improved steadily under Ryan in the last Season), and listening to signals from Foundation that we should actively support and prioritize interop when interop was not close enough to drive the bus in grants policy.

Crucially, governance is consistently denied the tools, freedom, and funding it needs to be a meaningful partner in the growth of the Superchain. A farmer that leaves half his field fallow cannot expect a full harvest.

Tasks that governance should be empowered to pursue, rather than blocked:

  • Building a stable-asset reserve (GFX Labs has a lot of relevant experience)
  • Payments in currencies other than OP, like ETH or stables
  • Deciding whether to continue retro funding or repurpose the funds
  • Payment for services that is not OP locked for 12 months
  • Flexibility in financial allocations, such as:
  1. offering interest-free/low-interest loans
  2. grants that vest governance with future equity or token rights from the grantee
  3. offering guarantees that secure loans from other financing sources
  4. Forgivable grants (grantee repays if revenue materializes, forgiven otherwise)
  5. Matching grants (grantee has a milestone tied to other fundraising)

These are simply top-of-mind suggestions, some of which have been floated before in various channels. They are offered as evidence that “What is the plan?” comes from a place of many members of governance having a wealth of suggestions on how to improve the financial and strategic position of Optimism, as well as the capacity to execute on those suggestions with minimal burden on the Foundation or Labs.

Outside of where governance can assist, how are chains like Base and World going to be firmly tied to the Superchain and Optimism? We see that many of the chains with DeFi TVL have still not committed fully to joining the eventual interoperability set.

It would be a terrible rebuke of the Superchain thesis to see the strongest or fastest growing members ultimately choose to remain independent, or even start their own competing superchain ecosystem. Presumably there is a plan to firmly tie these chains to Optimism irrevocably?

Finally, we would be remiss if we didn’t emphasize that “What is the plan?” includes not just product adoption but businsss plan. We know we have disagreed in the past over whether sequencer revenue share alone was viable longterm viable strategy, and feel that time has only strengthened our view. It would be wonderful to know as part of this answer, whether sequencer revenue is still the primary business case to stabilize the finances of Optimism.

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It seems like one obvious hurdle that Optimism has is getting chains to buy-in to the idea of the Superchain more permanently by entrusting Optimism Security Council with the upgrade keys, etc. AFAIK Unichain is the only chain that is 100% committed at this point.

The obvious issue is that there is much less incentive to do this without interop active.

My question: What is the current state of these conversations with World/Soneium/Ink/Base/Etc and what things can be done outside of interop (where governance has no control) to help push these conversations in the right direction?

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Towards the start of the DAO, the stated goal was to eventually have the DAO absorb the foundation. I remember @Jing even saying that she wanted to eventually work for the DAO.

Since then, hiring & spend at the foundation has grown by an order of magnitude. Meanwhile; retrofunding changes, budget cuts, price action, and general governance apathy has caused DAO influence to dramatically decrease.

At the same time, DAO contributors seem to be treated more and more as second class citizens.

One clear example of this is the grants council, which brought in $500 Million in TVL (and counting) to the Superchain, including many new tier-1 partners, yet were paid $10-15k USD for months of impactful work. How does this compare to the salaries of Foundation employees in the same period?

My questions:

  • Has there been a change of view in the role of the DAO?
  • Is the current goal to shift work from the DAO to the foundation?
    • If that is not the goal, why is the momentum shifting in the opposite direction?
    • If that is the goal, why has it not been explicitly stated?
  • How do you view the role of the DAO and its contributors moving forward?

As someone who has been involved since the launch of the DAO, literally changed my handle to “OPMichael”, has campaigned for Optimism in hundreds of personal & professional interactions, and has made a huge number of contributions to Optimism (paid and unpaid), I would appreciate a clear answer on this.

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I echo @Michael sentiment here.

It feels like Optimism is pushing current DAO contributors away. Optimism’s intention may not be to push us away but it certainly feels like that.

I think it would be helpful if the Foundation spend more time actively engaging with the DAO to provide more context for into how key decisions are made.. without that additional context many in the DAO (including me) are filling in that information gap assuming the worst.

Having worked at the Foundation I know there is an open information share so everyone internally understands what goes into each decision which minimizes the chance of misinterpretation. However, there is still a large contextual information gap between the DAO and Foundation. I believe @GFXlabs illustrates how this contextual information gap was problematic for the Collective last season:

I believe @Michael & @GFXlabs have asked all of the questions that are important to me so my ask is just that those questions get answered with as much candor as is legally possible.

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Thank you for this great opportunity! It’s wonderful to see direct engagement from the leadership teams at the Optimism Foundation and OP Labs. This AMA is a very positive step toward ensuring transparency and collaboration within the community. I’m sure this session will help many gain a deeper understanding of the goals and direction of the Season 8 Intent. Wishing you all the best for the event, and thank you for your continued dedication to building an inclusive and visionary Optimism ecosystem

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Links to publicly available answers to save time for other questions in the AMA.

  1. The timeline for staking the rest of the ETH is outlined in the approved proposal (early 2H25.)

  2. As you can see in the Budget Board Charter, part of their mandate is to “establish the process for ETH Staking decisions to be made by, or on behalf of, the community.” They are currently exploring what a community-led RFP process for this would look like. It’s also important to note that the sequencer ETH proposal types are voted on by the Citizens’ House, which is earlier in its development than the Token House.

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Hello, I’m a citizen and community contributor who deeply appreciates the Optimism ecosystem.
(Token House voting profile: 0xB2...98eC on Agora)

During Season 6, I actively lived the life of a gov-nerd, doing my best to contribute to the ecosystem. However, since the beginning of Season 7, the number of avenues for individual contributors like myself to participate has noticeably decreased. As a result, I currently find myself unsure of how I can continue to contribute meaningfully. I know I’m not alone in feeling this way—many others in the community have expressed similar concerns.

Lately, I’ve felt that Optimism has become somewhat disconnected from its DAO members, general contributors, and citizens. With Season 8 being announced under a similar framework to Season 7, I find myself curious about the reasoning and strategies behind these decisions by the Foundation and the Labs.

If these choices are part of a broader strategy to accelerate execution in the market, I can understand and even support that direction to some extent. Still, I believe it would be very helpful if more open opportunities and transparent communication about these processes were shared with the community.

I continue to support and believe in Optimism. I sincerely hope that, moving forward, more space will be made for regular contributors and citizens to engage, participate, and resonate with the vision and direction of the Foundation.

It would also be great to see more efforts or initiatives aimed at nurturing and empowering local builders within the community.

Thank you.

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I agree with this. The ambassador program, translators, and general contributors have been dismissed. Now, the community likely feels distanced.

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I think my question will be quite simple and perhaps off topic, but I will still ask why so many chains and will new ones be added to the superchain ecosystem in the future?

Meeting link for those looking for it (cross posted from governance calendar):

Season 8 Intent AMA
Tuesday, June 24 · 2:30 – 3:00pm
Time zone: America/New_York
Google Meet joining info
Video call link: https://meet.google.com/oaj-kpew-mvp
Or dial: ‪(US) +1 240-617-0139‬ PIN: ‪604 841 158‬#
More phone numbers: https://tel.meet/oaj-kpew-mvp?pin=6949275455883

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I want to thank the OP Foundation team for the most recent AMA.
It was one of the most open and transparent governance touchpoints we’ve had the last year. I deeply appreciate the time and clarity in answering community questions, and I hope these sessions continue to happen regularly. :heart_hands:

I think they are vital in reinforcing trust and shared direction.

I want to take use of this thread, to leave some questions that I have left, hoping we can follow up on them asynchronously to the extent that it makes sense to you.

  • Does an org chart for the OP Foundation exist?

  • What is the growth ratio between the Foundation and DAO-based programs?

  • Are there plans for certain roles within the Foundation to eventually transition into DAO-based structures?

BTW, I recently wrote a post exploring the broader question of membership in the Collective, and how contributor visibility, foundation roles, and responsibility mapping all play into that conversation.In case anyone wants to go deeper.

Thanks again for your time and all the work you do to keep the Collective moving forward. :heart_hands:

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