Overall a good proposal, I am biased in saying that we need non-financial reward for DAO engagement.
Could you please share the logic behind converting OP to ETH and then dropping it to users rather than simply dropping OP? Also, are you planning to do this for new users or old/existing as well.?
Thanks for the feedback @OPUser @NathanVDH !
The rationale for dropping ETH to the users’ optimism wallets is that the creation and claiming of badges is associated with a small gas fee (due to the consensual minting mechanism of EIP-4973, this gas fee is currently required as Badge recipients need to mint the Badge, thereby consenting to it). By dropping a small amount of ETH to the Badge recipients’ wallets, these users can directly claim their badges and engage.
This would be particularly useful for DAOs/communities that are engaging users with a more web2 background, as the process of buying ETH, sending it from an exchange to a wallet, and then bridging it to Optimism ahead of claiming a Badge is more complex compared to simply claiming a badge in your wallet on Optimism directly.
As pointed out by @NathanVDH (and please correct me if I misunderstood your comment), this small starting balance would also set these users up to do more transactions on Optimism as they are already onboarded to the network then.
This drop would apply to future users that get added to a Badge’s allow list (only once per wallet and for the first time after this drop mechanism is live). As DAOs may create multiple badges within their community (e.g., representing different contributor levels), this might also include users that already claimed a previous badge at a point in time before the drop mechanism is available.
We’re interested in your, and the community’s, thoughts on this as well 
We greatly appreciate the feedback we’ve received over the last weeks. As per the Operating Manual v 0.2.0, I’m sharing a summary of the community input and the changes which we implemented in the proposal:
Feedback on the previous post, during MCon, and on this proposal:
We were asked to clarify the specific collaboration opportunities → We added & clarified our suggestion to (i) provide the technical backbone for the citizen house, (ii) for Badges to serve as an on-ramp of DAOs, and DAO contributors onto Optimism, and (iii) the suggestion to use Badges, along with Snapshot, to support the work of the Governance Committees
We were asked to clarify the current state of our product → We added information on our (i) private beta (v2), (ii) past usage data from v1, (iii) some of the DAO partners in our private beta (e.g., Radicle DAO or Bankless), (iv) our product deck, and (v) information on what the following product versions include (earning badges by completing missions)
It was suggested to us to consolidate the wording around badges/SBTs/NTTs for simplicity → We consolidated the wording on using Badges
We were asked to clarify the rationale behind dropping ETH to users instead of OP → We added a section to outline this rationale (facilitating the user activation and on-ramp to Optimism, particularly for users with web2 backgrounds) and clarified the benefits for Optimism
I love the Otterspace proposal. One question is how it would “mesh with’ this exert from the OP Governance Overview, regarding soulboubd NFTs:
“The Collective will establish a Citizens’ House to facilitate and govern a process to distribute retroactive public goods funding. Citizenship will be conferred by “soulbound (opens new window)” non-transferrable NFTs, and the set of citizens will grow over time. The mechanism for distributing Citizenships will be determined by the Foundation with input from the Token House.“
Thanks for the comment @Ovetta
In our understanding, the exact process for how the distribution of the non-transferable NFTs for the Citizen House would work is not yet determined, however, we are in contact with @bobby to understand the requirements and see how we can support it. Otterspace could provide the technical backbone for this, the creation and minting of Badges. Once the Badges are distributed, the retroactive public goods funding decisions could, for example, be made via Snapshot, using Badges as the voting weight.
We really like the proposal and would like to formally endorse this.
“I am an Optimism Delegate (Delegate Commitments - #3 by Juanbug) with sufficient voting power and l believe this proposal is ready to move to a vote.”
Awesome then, thanks for the clarification! This looks great to me. I’d like to also formally endorse this proposal.
“I am an Optimism Delegate Delegate Commitments - #50 by NathanVDH with sufficient voting power and l believe this proposal is ready to move to a vote.”
Could you explain how the strategy behind the ETH purchase will be and how you are going to avoid the farmeo of this airdrop?
Thanks, @AxlVaz for the question. To clarify, this is how I understand your questions and what I’m responding to (please correct me if I misunderstood part of your question).
1. How will we purchase the ETH? (If you were referring to why we plan to purchase ETH, may I point you to our response above to OPUser’s question?)
We consider the following aspects as relevant: the frequency of swapping, the time period over which the swapping will take place and the amount swapped each time.
Concerning the frequency and time period, we plan to swap OP into ETH at regular intervals and, therefore, not all at once. As we plan to distribute the tokens over a period of 12 months, we will likely follow a monthly/bi-weekly swapping schedule. In the first months, we will swap less OP into ETH and then increase this monthly swapped amount as the user base grows.
This way, we should receive, on average, a reasonable exchange rate without exerting any significant impact on the liquidity or the price of the underlying assets.
2. How are we going to avoid the ETH being farmed in this Airdrop (e.g., programmatically draining the account of ETH)?
We consider the following aspects relevant for this question: how the ETH is distributed, who gets access to the badge allow list & airdrop, and how much ETH is exposed at a given time.
How the ETH is distributed:
Our product & engineering teams are currently looking into the trade-offs associated with either airdropping the tokens, using a relayer contract, or meta transactions, all to enable robust & easy adoption and onboarding of users. At the time of writing, we consider the airdrop to be the best approach. The event triggering an airdrop would be an address added to the badge allow list for the first time and only once per address across all badges.
Given this, we believe that beyond ensuring the safety of the technical implementation, two additional control handles exist for us: (i) Who gets access to a badge allow list & airdrop & (ii) how much ETH is exposed at a given time.
Who gets access to the badge allow list & airdrop:
During our ongoing private Beta, we are personally in touch with representatives of all DAOs using Otterspace, and using Otterspace is subject to going through our onboarding & screening. Therefore, we currently have influence on who gets access to a badge allow list as we work with them directly.
Once we open up the product and enable any DAO to start using the app, we will retain a screening process and make the airdrop subject to approval. Any DAO could use Otterspace, but in order to benefit from the Airdrop we would first need to speak to and screen the DAO representatives, to ensure that they represent the DAO that they claim. We would then only enable the airdrop for organizations that we have screened to ensure that only entities that we deem trustworthy have access to airdropped ETH. Our product is tailored towards DAO workstream leads and coordinators issuing badges. These individuals typically would know the individuals to whom they issue badges, thereby acting as a web of trust.
How much ETH is exposed at a given time:
In addition to ensuring that trustworthy DAO representatives use the badge allow list & the airdrop, we also plan to limit the exposure of ETH. The ETH will be primarily kept in the Otterspace Gnosis Safe, and the contract that controls the airdrop will be “topped up” periodically to ensure that at any given time, only the ETH amount necessary to serve the new incoming user base is in the contract and thereby exposed to potential threats.
This is the working state of our considerations on ensuring the safety and correct allocation of the token grant. We appreciate all feedback on this and will keep the Optimism community updated on our progress as we go (provided the approval of the grant).
Proposal looking good!
Do you have a product demo video that you can link since it’s hard to assess the product without actually being a DAO admin.
Also how would you say you differ from Galaxy which also allows to issue badges based on on & off-chain criteria?
Good Proposal, but imo a bit early to ask for a grant. Let them proof themselves a bit first. Good luck!
Thanks @cryptotesters for the comment.
I’ve recorded a product demo video here, so you can get a feeling for what we are building.
Concerning Galaxy/Galxe, we differ on the technical and the use case side. Technically, Galxe is using mostly ERC-721 NFTs, which are transferable. However, as far as I’m aware, Galxe are also experimenting with some modified ERC-721s that are non-transferable. Nevertheless, we believe that non-transferable NFTs need their own standard for longer-term adoption, hence why we are involved with EIP-4973.
With regard to the use cases, we see some similarities between Galxe and Rabbithole, as both are focused on capturing web3 user achievements for user acquisition (in the case of Galxe, predominantly users for DeFi apps & protocols). On the other hand, we are explicitly focused on DAOs and higher-assurance cases such as badges representing roles within a community & enabling the associated permissions (e.g., access permissions or governance). If we look at DAOs outer layers (i.e., new people coming in), Rabbithole and Galxe may focus on that layer, whereas Otterspace focuses on the inner operations layer. Considering collaboration opportunities, we reckon that Optimism can acquire new users, particularly in the DeFi or NFT trading space with Galxe. Whereas with Otterspace, Optimism can acquire more DAOs and DAO contributors.
While Otterspace badges are currently distributed to contributors using manual attestation, we are also working on capturing on-/off-chain activities and expect this functionality to go live later this year.
Great proposal. Room for many innovations in the space, and all user accretive tech should be welcome at Optimism imo.
Thanks that was helpful!
What kind of use cases are you imagining DAOs will choose to go for with your infrastructure?
Does your product have some easy integrations e.g “Include all token voters/snapshot voters/LP’s etc. on allowlist, or off-chain e.g allow Twitter followers, Discourse members to mint” ?
Or is it all manual uploading of addresses that the DAO admin has handpicked beforehand?
I have voted against this proposal.
My reason for voting against is OP will be sold.
I refer to…
Currently, the four key use cases that we see from our work with the private beta participating DAOs are:
With regard to your second question, at the moment, addresses are added to the Badge allow list either manually by DAO admins or via our API. We are working on a feature to soon support the automated attestation of Badges within our product based on meeting on-/off-chain conditions (e.g., have bought token X before, participated in governance, etc.).
Thank you for the feedback @Butterbum
Our swapping of OP to ETH is based on our understanding of the third point of the “no sale” rule in the Grant Proposal Template
As outlined in the proposal, a part of the requested OP will be swapped to incentivize user adoption, this would apply to a maximum of 70% of the requested tokens. Further, we are very open to using a mixed airdrop containing OP & ETH, which would (i) facilitate the adoption of the product on Optimism, (ii) encourage users to get involved in OP governance (e.g., by trying out token delegation), and (iii) reduce the total amount of OP that is swapped/sold.
We appreciate the community feedback and input on this.
I understand it is open for interpretation, but my understanding of " Does not include using OP to incentivize usage ." is ~ using OP to incentivize usage does not constitute as selling OP.
Where as in this proposal Otterspace intend to sell 70% of the allocation.
In my mind this +/-$70,000 bill will ultimately get pushed over to the users/holders of OP.
We are an officially recognized Tooling Governance Committee, responsible for assessing proposals related to tooling and infrastructure (wallets, bridges etc.).
Otterspace is building infrastructure for DAOs to issue Badges (soulbound NFTs) based on DAO members’ on & off-chain actions. The idea is that these Badges can help DAOs to perform non-financialized governance, automate permissions (access rights, etc.), manage community-specific reputation/credentials, and create better incentive systems…
The product is in closed-beta right now with a handful of DAO’s actively using Otterspace.
External links:
Similar OP Governance proposals:
The proposal was detailed and the authors responded to several questions raised around implementation details.
To track the success of the campaign it would make sense to track:
We like the problem space Otterspace is solving for and the fact it’s building its infrastructure natively on Optimism. However, the requested amount doesn’t seem reasonable given the state of project, current usage statistics and the expected usage of funds. We consider it appropriate to request a reduction of at least 30% of the amount requested for the next cycle in case it is not approved in the current cycle.
Voted no - Following Tooling Committee recommendation