It is meaningful enough to allow @solarcurve to vote on other proposals. I mean why exactly would he turn a delegate if he can’t vote just because his very own proposal is live for voting. As a delegate, perform your roles and be active in governance. It only makes sense not to vote on your very own proposal considering the amount of voting power he holds as a delegate. It’d be similar to rigging an election just because you are a part of the electorate.
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Voted : Yes
Number of token are reasonable compared to TVL and project matrices.
Incentives are matched.
Proper plan to retain users once incentives are dried up.
Overall, an excellent proposal.
On different topic, thank you for your feedback on phase0/1 funding thread. I am gonna bother you once again, please share your thoughts on this too. Hearing from you is important not just because you are delegate but also because you are leading a project receiving the incentives.
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This project will make Optimism more stronger… Full support from me
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This proposal fits into Gov Fund Phase 1 and the value-add to Optimism is solid: Voting Yes
Value-add: Medium - Some Users and liquidity
Amount: Ok
Op distribution: Okayish - mainly bribes
Co-incentives: Ok
This funding round’s goal is primarily in increasing liquidity and users on Optimism. Balancer is a top protocol on Ethereum with a community that is willing to leave liquidity in their pools for optimal yield management. We see value in incentivizing some of the money on Eth l1 & Fantom to flow to Optimism and we like your approach to kickstarting your Optimism deployment and veBal emissions.
Fyi, we are not the biggest fans of multiple layers of farming protocols to distribute revenues (bribing) and rather believe core protocols and their holders should manage revenue distribution with their long-term alignment and views. Nonetheless, this proposal is good for Optimism growth and we look forward to some sustainble incentives.
i dont know why this has balancer in its name when its not balancer and only has a partnership with them it seems an invalid proposal based on the name to try get everyone to vote yes
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After the initial 2 month launch period the emissions (BAL) will be decided by veBAL voters. This is about as “Balancer” as you can be sir. But you are entitled to your fair opinion.
Voted : Yes
Positive track record: 
Tokens requested in range comparable to other projects:
Expected to grow Optimism ecosystem:
Great to see the Beethoven team’s expansion on Optimism and driving TVL. While spending 100% of the OP token allocation on bribes isn’t the most creative, it does align with the gov fund phase 1 objectives.
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Interesting reading this now. I see some big problems with this actually and I really dont like it. This kind of behavior doesn’t go unnoticed in corporate America and for good reason.
AFAIK Optimism TVL is hurting and is down about 40% from ATHs and nothing seems to be changing here. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see quite simply:
Need more protocols and distribution of incentives to encourage bringing more people to L2. 
I did spend some significant time, having read every single other protocol’s proposal put forth, putting together a proposal myself that oddly enough was immediately pushed back on by @solarcurve and then cited a Proposal literally published by himself as the “right” way to make a Proposal.
I really believe in the Optimistic Vision still but the reality is that if the intent here is to keep aspiring protocols, looking to come and build here,
- out of Optimism - as opposed to the stated purpose of providing incentives to bootstrap growth, it’s logical to form the conclusion that the experiment that is Optimism does not end well. And more important; I think anyone taking the time to read through these forums is already demonstrating precisely who we all want to be in alignment with.
My point being work together. I think cooperation and collaboration is the answer right now.
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I am going to vote a reluctant YES here.
PROS
- Established protocol.
- Good for Optimism as it will bring more users
- Good team
CONS
- Amount is on the high side.
- I am not a fan of mercenary usage. On the other hand I do understand how the veXXX model and that always needs bribes to work and the OP already explained that they intend to continue bribing even after OP incentives dry up from the protocol fees, so I can see how this could become sustainable.
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I voted yes on this proposal. Balancer is an established project in this space and I like that they are collaborating with BeethovenX along with directing earnings towards matching OP incentives.
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I’ll vote YES
Project quality: High - well-known project with high TVL
Team quality: High
Amount requested: Reasonable
OP distribution: So, so. Not clear to me how is this better than LM.
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I am voting yes on this proposal. The project is well-articulated, provides value to the Optimism ecosystem, and will back tested projects. The grant size is large, but the ability for Balancer and Beethoven to provide scaling solutions within the Optimism ecosystem merits a larger grant size.
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Snapshot vote - Passed
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@solarcurve can you provide a Telegram handle or other contact method so the Optimism team can get in touch about paying out this grant 
Feel free to comment on this thread, DM, or email bobby@optimism.io.
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@solarcurve on telegram or solarcurve#5075 on discord 
Hi @solarcurve! It’s been a few months since the OP grant distribution, would you mind sharing a grant update with the community here?
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Hi @lavande
Thanks for reaching out! I am responding to you as I do the financial reporting for Beethoven X.
Our grant proposal allows us only to spend the grant money if we can match it with protocol fees.
We wanted to give back to the Optimism ecosystem so we decided to see if we could take things a step further. We have achieved this by using our protocol fees to buy $OP tokens on the open market. This enabled us to do the matching on a token level.
As of today, we have spent a net of 71k $OP tokens, which has been an important part of maintaining our TVL at around the $19m mark. We are very proud of how efficient this strategy has been in terms of $OP spent.
Below is a detailed breakdown of the activity.
Some partner protocols asked us to distribute their $OP grant on their behalf, which is included in both the inflow and outflow.
If you would like to verify these numbers, our Treasury multisig can be found here:
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Greetings everyone, this post is an update to the Balancer & Beethoven X Phase 1 grant.
Original grant application
Grant update January 2023
Grant update July 2023
Grant update February 2024
The Phase 1 grant awarded Balancer & Beethoven X with 500,000 $OP tokens. The grant was set up with a long-term strategy with the focus on longevity and sustainability. The grant set that every $OP token used from the grant would be matched 1:1 in value from protocol fees. Due to this no specific timeframe could be set for the grant distribution, which was also stated in the initial application.
To further solidify a symbiotic relationship with the Optimism ecosystem, it was decided the protocol fees would be first used to buy $OP tokens from the open market and then paired with the grant $OP tokens 1:1 on an $OP token level. To our knowledge, this is the only grant where an equal share of $OP tokens have been bought from the open market.
The awarded OP tokens have been used as voting incentives on the Hidden Hand vlAURA market. As of today, a total of ~259,450 $OP tokens have been used with 240,550 $OP tokens left. A total of ~268,500 $OP tokens have been bought from the open market that have been paired with the $OP tokens from the grant.
Below are the detailed monthly breakdown of $OP activities on the Beethoven X treasury on Optimism. At this moment, all of the $OP tokens in the treasury are the remaining Phase I grant rewards. These number can be verified on the Beethoven X Optimism Treasury multisig.
Since the Phase 1 grant $OP funds can only be matched with protocol fees and the protocol fees are recycled back into pools that are eligible for the Balancer’s Core Pool system, then the Phase 1 grant $OP has also been used to further incentivize such pools. This means that the Phase 1 grant funds have been used to deepen the liquidity of various yield-bearing assets on the chain, such as wstETH, wrsETH, rETH, sfrxETH, weETH, ankrETH, sFRAX and assets paired with these in various pool setups.
It has been brought to our attention that the OP Council would like to see faster distribution and conclusion for the Phase 1 grant. We are now in contact with the OP Council and are looking into suitable options for repurposing that would give high efficiency for the remaining tokens while also providing a clear timeline for the distribution.