OPUser - Delegate Communication Thread

Special Voting Cycle 9a

Voted in Favor :-

  1. easy to reach consensus when group size is small
  2. communication could be fast tracked, this was a challenge in season 2
  3. Streamline the process, making grant funding less complex

I also believe that putting decision power is few entities could lead to centralization of power and might create an Eco-chamber which will hurt us in long run.

But supporting this proposal because OF is working on iteration, feedback from past season is reflected in this proposal and we are more aligned toward experiment from beginning.

Voted : Against

Governance is difficult, chaotic co-ordination could be tiresome some time, few entities will try to make it political or even worse, a pvp battle. But even after all this, we should try to be more inclusive, inclusive of other protocol, builders and community.

I am reading “skin-in-the-game” narrative as a positive side of this proposal which I agree but what about other protocol bringing more value to our chain even if they are not native ? What do we want to built, a cult or a community ?

I shared the similar thought here and also agree with @BP_Gamma here

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Token House Badgeholder Election Information

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Special Voting Cycle #9

  1. Builders - @Gonna.eth , @kaereste

    1 Dhannte - He needs no introduction, heavily active in gov, contributing during gov call and got the grant from gov in last season. Happy to support him.
    2. L2Beat - interacted with Kris for short duration in season 2 and L2Beat is doing an excellent job with their platform. I believe they will do justice to this role.
    3. With new changes in place, decided to self-vote.

2 Growth @katie @GFXlabs @MattL @Michael @Joxes

This one was difficult as each individual in this category is equally qualified. Took a different approach -

  1. Joxes and Latam team - Very few can match their engagement in our gov, they are transparent, were part of different sub-committee(s) and leading the Latam community.
  2. Michael and Katie - Both active and quite familiar with web3 space.
  3. GFX Lab - Has vast knowledge of dev and gov, received two grant from gov and contributed heavily to our gov.
  4. Matt - Although I dont agree with couple of decision they have taken in the past, SNX is one of the major pillar of optimism ecosystem, happy to support them in this category.

Protocol delegation
Gave preference to Optimism native protocol

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RPGF Round 1. (FAQ & General info)

Now that voting is around the corner and discovery UI is live, I want to start the conversation with my initial thoughts.

With my limited knowledge on public good, there are couple of nomination I would not consider a public good.

  1. A protocol having raised millions in VC/token(sales) funding
  2. Very less impact or at least at early stage
  3. Could be considered as a public good in the past but not anymore

My Focus would be -

  1. Clear and visible impact (one example would be revoke Ui), NiceNode, Orbiter could be another one (there are couple of open question though). Optimism Español , jackxbt and similar under education section.
  2. Must be open sourced
  3. Might consider means-test where needed.

This is not to bash anyone or any project. To me, Optimism two pillar gov model was the main motivation behind joining this collective. Finally, we are moving away from plutocratic voting system and I understand that my vote has equal weightage, like other elected citizen, and I want to be transparent as possible, provide my rational behind every decision, take feedback, iterate and work towards making this collective better.

So, if you have any feedback, please let me know. (comment /dm on this forum or on discord nono#1218)

Note -
Please note that I am not a smart contract developer and may reach out to collective I trust for additional information or may have to skip certain nominations related to development tools, APIs, or packages when casting my vote. Moreover, the guidelines provided by the Optimism Foundation may result in significant changes to the criteria outlined above.

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I strongly agree with this, just from the impact perspective it seems obvious that sending $X to a project that has only received a few $ thousand from Gitcoin or whatever will make much more difference than sending that same $X to a project which has raised $ millions in a VC seed round!


Could you expand a bit more on what you mean by:

Could be considered as a public good in the past but not anymore

I’m not sure I understand what kind of thing would fit that category?

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Thanks for the insight.

Can I ask, why an early stage project wouldn’t be consider a public good?

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I am still in the process of gathering information, but one example I have come across is Uni. While Uni v2 was a public good, its successor, Uni v3, is not. Once you lauch a token, you are in “in-profit” market.

Tally Ho, a wallet I love and use, might be another example. They are depended on grants, gitcoin and similar, but with their upcoming token lauch I am not sure anymore.

One arugemnt I hear - they are still open source, anyone could fork and build upon them and their impact is visible.

Totally valid point however, one could argue that they have already reaped the benefits of their impact through VC funding and token sales. Supporting a team or project that is dependent solely on grants, like you have mentioned, may be a more prudent choice.

There are few gray area and still seeking feedback from collective.

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Hey @Vegayp, I was referring to their impact.

RPGF motto is impact = profit. It’s a retroactive grant, which means we should focus on projects/teams that have already made a positive impact through their contributions. Early stage would be part of next round.

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Providing a draft of project I am gonna vote in on-going RPGF round.

Rational for Education -

  1. Knowledge content created by them is easily available and add value
  2. Content and area of work is aligned towards Optimism and/or Ethereum
  3. Will there be any impact on Optimism/ethereum if they suddenly disappear
  4. In this category, I am also looking from the social and cultural side

For infra :-

  1. OP Native *
  2. If they are gone, there impact will be clearly visible on Optimism = impact
  3. Not directly OP native but highly aligned with Ethereum
  4. Is this project adding value and should be supported
  • goal is be inclusive here so chain should not matter which is the case in education domain but under infra I am giving preference to Optimism project - Optimism related infra - Ethereum - public good - common good in long term

Note - many project under infra are receiving grant from Protocol Guild(they are also nominated ) and are also part of EIP-4884 collection. Will account this in calculation when casting vote as to not give 3X grant to the same team.

Once list is final, will post it on the rpgf dedicated thread.

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Great huge thread that definitely has a lot of information to learn

Definitely handy to keep track of all the previous important milestones, thank you for your work, friend

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Thanks for the update and the good work. I find it a pretty fair approach.
Cheers!

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Now post by the way.

You are pointing to good reasons. Actually I as someone who just joined the Optimism Collective, expected to see more interactions on discord, and of course on the Twitter rolling around the Optimism Collective. I have found the idea and the Vision very profound and thorough. I will check the proposals that you posted here, hope in near future, I get the chance to vote. Have fun

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Voted in favor of both proposal.

Bedrock upgrade was discussed quite in depth and happy to support it. Looking forward to what next for Optimism collective and added value Bedrock upgrade will bring.

Fractal has done quite a lot of work and I know their project from Galand NFT, their first mint. But doxing is a no go, we should respect everyone’s privacy. Supporting their suspension, I do hope he will stick around and come back stronger once the ban is lifted.

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There are lot to digest for upcoming season 4, I will try to put a short summary of what coming up next (refer here for everything around season 4)

Season 4 will work towards collective goal or intent. Collective Intents

Intent - you/ the Foundation set goal/mission and propose a budget, once the said goal is achieved, reward will be distributed.

initial/most mission would be set by the Foundation and budget would be approved by token house.

Council lead(s) are expected to put forward the budget proposal. Token House Missions
Mission - a time boxed event,well defined, start-to-finish, tightly scoped goal to achieve one of the intents.

Two type -

  1. proposed - own budget -approved by token house- fund will come gov fund
  2. Foundation mission - defined by the Foundation - fund will come from Foundation Fund. Existing Foundation mission could be found here - Foundation Missions (RFPs) · GitHub

Anyone, individual, group or an organization, refer as an Alliances, can propose and execute a mission(proposed or accept Foundation Mission. More on Alliances Season 4 Alliance Guide

Funds are determined by trust tier. -Not summarizing it as the complete article is a must read, its a step towards Optimism Attestation station. Collective Trust Tiers

changes suggested above are amalgation and improvement from already existing dao such as ENS, Gitcoin and as a curtsey, foundation will nomicate them in next RPGF round.

Delegate retroactive reward for their contribution can be found here. Retroactive Delegate Rewards: Season 3 - #2

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My One Year in this collective movement!!!

What a journey, learned a lot, tried my best to contribute with my time and limited knowledge, we had some up and down but I remain bullish and looking forward to new challenges.

A successful first iteration of RPGF, Base building on top of Optimism and client diversity by a16z and Karl taking role of CEO, good vibes all around.

During second season of gov, I, along with other delegate and community member, were asking for on-chain report on usage and impact of fund distributed to projects. Goal was to understand the loose end, look at short coming, learn from them and apply those learning in upcoming season. Stopped following up on my Goverance Fund Accountability - An overview thread because of lack of Dune knowledge and support from project.

But we have support from OPLab team and they published there detailed report on monthly basis, Apr 2023 - Governance Call OP Rewards Analytics Update , Mar 2023 - Governance Call OP Rewards Analytics Update I encourage everyone to read them. Liquidity mining impact was short lived, as anticipated by other delegate, even for project with multiple grant approved by the collective. For example, Pooltogether[1]has a clear decline in tvl [defillama] even with multiple grant approved and same goes with most, if not all, protocols. Seems we are burning oil just to keep the fire alive. I was in favor of PT second proposal because the ask was relatively low and their impact from first grant to visible and seemed sustainable, at least at that time, which is not the case. In retrospective, there are much to learn here -

  1. we should not approve multiple proposal from same project, might be an exception when second proposal is completely different from the first one
  2. there must be some gap between first and second, few weeks at least

There has been lot of proposal so far, some were successful, for others we need to wait for couple more months while rest were not fully disaster as we learned something from them. Going forward, my request from collective would be to pull back a little from granting funds to existing project and rather focus on new project bringing new ideas and innovation, we have some good, positive hype going on because of RPGF and we should use it to foster and incubate new innovative protocol, invite developer from different region, fund and support them.

Two of my personal favorites domain which need more support and encouragement are privacy and gaming. Privacy is one major pillar of blockchain, even EY is building a private chain, and i wish to see more project building around it, natively on Optimism. Firn[2] could not make it to final list of grant recipient, and with aztech moving towards their own chain, I hope they will come back stronger in next round. Look around, Polygon is building with Immutable, Starknet is collaborating with unstoppable games, Nike is bullish on Metaverse and list goes on, onchain gaming and metaverse has huge potential, an unexplored domain full of challenges, uncertainty and opportunities.

1- Mention of pooltogether should not be treated a targeted comment on them or any other project.
2- I invited Firn to submit their proposal and was helping them with gov related queries, I dont have any connection with them. Just personally motivated to support privacy protocol.

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  1. final-inflation-adjustment-proposal - in favor

  2. treasury-appropriation-proposal-foundation - Against

For both proposal, I agree with discussion and echo Polynya comment.

  1. Grant Council
    Choose to abstain - From season 1, I was encouraging and asking for accountability of fund, from OP Foundation and also from individual grant recipient, now that we have support from OP Lab, lack of support and discussion on fund accountability from grant council is disappointing.
    How to Contribute: OP Rewards Analytics
    We have delegate in grant council with online presence reaching wide and far, I am not suggesting we police the grant recipient, least we can do is it to put some social pressure.

For @Oxytocin , its their first nomination so choose to vote in favor of them.


On topic of accountability, I would like encourage other delegates to provide reasoning for their vote. For small and new delegate like myself, we look up to you, we expect that you have knowledge and wisdom to properly evaluate and judge critical proposals, lead us and this collective with good example. Just casting vote in silence put us in shadow give a bad outlook.

Looking forward towards next iteration of our evolving DAO.

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Intent 1

voted in favor of all except one in Intent 1, I was skeptical of Scry Protocol but given their feedback happy to support them.

My rational for not voting in favor of [FINAL] Spearbit + Immunefi Bug Bounty Program for Large Protocols Building on Optimism - #27 by OPUser. Given that the protocol team got roughly 1M in last year just from their protocol native token emission, I believe they should be in a good position to support their audit and we should rather support FOSS project in incubation with less or little financial support.


Will finalize intent 3 in next few day(s).

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Intent 4 Proposal

Intent 4 was challenging, in some proposal it was not clear how they related their proposal with intent in place, some lack detailed budget planning while others does not have a proper milestone in place.

Scope of Intent 4, below, is wide and this is also our first iteration along with that I acknowledge the knowledge gap and lack of awareness in general public, which is why I am voting in favor of most proposal.

Missions to educate the broader community about Optimism governance and RetroPGF, increase the resiliency of core governance infrastructure, create user friendly interfaces to interact with governance programs, or promote a welcoming governance community are all well-aligned with this Intent.”

I could not bring myself to vote in favor of two proposal(waiting for feedback on 1) and my rationals are

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Intent 3 - Spread Awareness of the Optimistic Vision

Few thoughts -

3F - [FINAL] Let's take the Optimistic Vision to LATAM with Espacio Cripto

3G - [FINAL] Spread Optimistic values accross Latam with Solow

Both targeting similar audience, while one has relatively higher ask, I have heard only good thing about Espacio Cripto when I was evaluating their RPGF proposal and happy to support them one more time.

I believe 3C([FINAL] BanklessDAO’s Global Campaign to spread the Optimistic vision) amount is little high but at the same time I have no digital marketing experience to justify otherwise. Voting in favor because its falls under education domain and amount was discussed here and here

3H- [FINAL] Develop the most relevant and aligned audiovisual content for the Optimism Collective it seems this proposal was not discussed enough but they addressed my main concern here, voted in favor

3I - [FINAL] Thank Optimism - powered by ThriveCoin , huge shoutout to @jrocki.bedrock and @thrivegiraffe for answering all the queries raised by the collectives. I have been part of this collective since the beginning and this proposal might the third most discussed on this forum(after Curve and Velodrome proposal), both were polite and their responses were not only addressing the question but also encouraging discussion, all withing the boundary of code of conduct.

Still I believe the amount is quite high at the same time their proposal is quite optimistic, I would consider this proposal as high reward high risk.

If anyone has doubt about Thrivecoin, response from team to a similar comment from Jack.

Voted in favor of most proposal except below ones

  1. [FINAL] Fueling RetroPGF Growth through Education, Collaboration, and Active Marketing

I dont think sponsering booth booking and sponsorship cost is a suitable candidate for this intent category. Not a deciding factor but few queries remain unanswered.


Those are my final vote for this round, will cast my votes tomorrow. If anyone has any further query, do reach out.

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Thank you for depositing your trust in us again @OPUser. We’re working really hard at Espacio Cripto to deliver as much value as possible!

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