Do you not understand that most voters and delegates will put trust into the committees recommendation and vote accordingly? Thatās why itās not smart to have a two people decide the entire outcome of whose selected. This means committees are forever doomed, they will always be voted in/out based on the voice of 1 or two people given the abstaining rule. Not only did they receive two votes from related committee members they got Polynias vote which is already absurdly large. I see over 3.5m in votes that should be abstained imo.
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I clearly understand that since day #1 and I expressed my opinion here: Introducing Governance Committees - #9 by Prometheus
If itās not clearā¦ Iām against committees.
Nevertheless you canāt require expertise without specification and proper intent. Smart or notā¦ you can only blame yourself for not bringing the expertise requirements/specifications up to debate in early stages.
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I figured all delegates would be able to weigh in, it wasnāt until late that we decided abstaining was necessary. I also agree that committees are a mistake now funnily.
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Iām sure you can remember because of all the times iāve given you feedback in the moment to little effect
what i say is true, that your participation has at times displayed a lack of core defi understanding and, more worryingly, intransigence and overreliance on process
I also believe that if we ask the right question at right place to right person and with a learning attitude, we can solve many problems which also include doing valuation of proposals.
There is a track record of this not having been the case, though I do respect the time youāve incorporated my suggestions, such as emphasizing OP as a pairing token, though even then that was applied haphazardly and without regard to routing considerations. A lack of defi knowledge will be a death by a thousand cuts, and the only thing iām left with at the end of all of this is that your group, despite this, essentially doubled down on defi just because you wanted it, not because you were the best to do it.
Really feel bad for the protocols applying to Optimism if this group passes. I look forward to continuing to work with them off the books and hearing more of their complaints.
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Itās actually the act of abstaining that caused our committee to be behind, we could easily come out on top if we could vote. Instead we have two people deciding the entire outcome. I would have zero issues with your committee if you guys played fairly. The only votes you have that are problematic are Polynias L2 beats and Leftaris there is no issue with any other vote you have. Saying they shouldnāt abstain is pretty foolish given two of them share a committee with joxes and one of them is the largest voting party by a long shot making it impossible to match voting power.
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Hello Doug i raised the concern of having people on multiple committees early on. my concerns did not get much feedback to my surprise. i was aware of the issues this would cause and as i can see we are favoring centralization here.
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i can see why committee B is upset the voting process here was set up to fail from the beginning. i think lots of work needs to be done in order to insure a more fair process, trying to catch up on all of this a lot to read through.
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For our part (DefiLatam and OptimismESP) we participate in two committees because we have the knowledge and operational capacity to meet the requirements for this type of participation.
At the beginning there were not many initiatives in the committees, you can see that only 5 committees participate and only one of them is from NFTs. Even the people who are against dual participation, which apparently are several, did not group together to propose a different or better idea.
For our part the diversity of committees is important for governance, so as it grows and there is more activity from other delegates/participants we want to minimize our participation in this governance. However, we believe it is time to be active and push the optimism to grow, so that more people will come forward to participate.
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Truly astounding, then, that, considering there was a huge void in the NFT vertical, this committee saw fit to remain in defi when it had better experience with NFTs. it would have addressed all of your concerns
Even the people who are against dual participation, which apparently are several, did not group together to propose a different or better idea.
In fact everyone has proposed a very clear alternative: simply do not have people in multiple groups.
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First of all, I am just pointing out the perceived void in the NFT committees, I never said we had experience on them. We do have experience and expertise on the committees that we ran on.
That is why we voted for the NFT committee, because we believe the committee has experience and expertise.
Here you can see how we voted
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I donāt follow all the discussions, you can show me what those proposals were.
Or you could even do what you did, go to different groups to ask for collaborators. I think what you raise is very well done and necessary. But participation is also necessary. As I said before, as the gov grows, our participation will decrease.
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If I remember I would have not asked at the first place. I request you to point me where do you think I need to improve.
I hear you on OP pair topic, itās an open question for debate which Beefy took it quite naturally. I am open to more input here.
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someone who was genuinely concerned about improving and not challenging facts (āif this is trueā) would have taken up the feedback at least once out of the several times it was offered
think thisāll be my last comms on this thread
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Thatās a better approach, either say it or stay away from it and my suggestion to you would be, have your evidence ready if youāre blaming someone.
Thank you.
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Why is OPUser in group A and C?
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Hi @bangrygoose, I have commented on the same question on different places but I donāt mind writing it one more time.
I am on two subcommittee because I have time and bandwidth to contribute to both committee.
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Maximum grift? 
Jk. Kinda bearish that the Defi Committee doesnāt have a single member that has worked in a production level Defi dApp though. Some of the members of this committee are even in the discussions in Perpās dodgy proposal that ended up slipping through and offloading millions of OP tokens which have produced zero tangible results that the proposal set out as its goals. I hope there isnāt a repeat of that sort of thing!
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Honestly thatās what it comes across as. And itād be great to have people involved with defi on a defi committee. Youād think thatād go without saying.
This is a bad outcome.
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