if we make OP token network token, we can also run optimism on solana and ethereum both? think about it
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Governance tokens are useless and worthless. This proposal needs to pass.
Yes I agree this is great
I second this.
A governance token should be just that, a token used for governance. What’s the benefit of using it to pay gas, increase the price? That’s not what a governance token is for - price should be secondary.
I’m strongly against this proposal. One of the unique strengths of Optimism is Ethereum Equivalence, it isn’t just EVM compatible, but is designed to operate almost exactly like mainnet. This means porting smart contracts across is as simple as possible, gas works the same, opcodes work the same, it means Optimism can adopt all the same EIPs as Ethereum with minimal extra work. Basically it’s an amazing advantage over just about everything else.
If we stopped using Ethereum for gas and switched to using OP we would be sacrificing all of that to what gain? The OP collected as gas would need to be sold for ether in order to pay the mainnet fees anyway so all it would really do is add an extra step to that process.
For anyone who is for this proposal, what advantage do you see to it that I’m missing?
This arguments make sense and I support them but the total supply of around 4.3 billion is very high. Any chance to burn tokens by governance voting?
Why? What purpose would this serve?
This is a fantastic suggestion. Why use ETH when OP can be a real contender.
Gives the token multiple utility. Makes many defi activities much more exciting and lucrative with a gas token.Demand comes from all protocols if you make it the native token.
No, it doesn’t seem like a good idea, because you can turn Optimism into a parasitic network of Ethereum
I think what you’re maybe missing is that most of the fees you pay on Optimism are used directly to pay for gas to post proofs/data onto Ethereum L1. For example about $260,000 in ETH fees were paid by Optimism users on the rollup in the last 24 hours [https://cryptofees.info/], of that, about $225,000 was spent on Ethereum L1 [Dune].
If Optimism were to collect gas fees in OP, they would still need to pay the L1 fees in ether, so they would have to sell the OP they just collected and buy ETH… so what would be the gain?
On the other hand, we’d lose some of the advantages of Ethereum Equivalence which make Optimism stand out over other rollups. It just doesn’t make sense as a sacrifice for no benefit!
I agree! This would be very useful for when there is high congestion on the network !
yeah - i have to agree with you on this. I’m not sure all of these people that are blindly in favor of this silly idea have taken a moment to really think about this at all and are just thinking somewhat selfishly and narrowly about the price of OP going up. I’m no expert on optimistic rollups but I have to assume that the current eth fees we are paying are collectively used to pay for on-chain transactions which is how the L2 network is able to utilize the advanced security and functionality of the ethereum network. So, if the native token to pay fees on Optimism is OP, then what is the exact process for paying the eth fee for those on-chain benefits exactly? Do you also have to add a clunky and unecessary process in which the OP paid for fees is swapped for ETH in order to remain being an L2 network with the benefits of L1 ethereum? Fairly sure this is a simple issue to be addressed with this completely pointless proposal which has the main benefit of adding complexity to this process.
Now, to address this claim, which is the backbone of this boneheaded suggestion, that governance tokens have no value or real use is just an indication that this person and those agreeing with them have absolutely no ability think about the future of this space 5 or 10 years down the road. It has yet to really take hold very well, but eventually a decentralized governance program and the token that enables it is going to be incredibly valuable with further adoption as this space, DeFi and Web3 continue to mature. Having voting power in multiple major projects with a robust history which helps to prove longevity of the biggest players in DeFi will be similar to the power of a wall street bank.
In closing - this is a terrible idea unless someone can correct me on the fee issue i described above. That seems like a pointless cash grab in the short term from a bunch of WSB moon boys which is a major change for this L2 system/network that hasn’t been considered.
Edit: i replied to someone making the same fee point i was - Sorry for duplication of info.
my point exactly - glad to see someone else thought this through a little.
Someone already probably mentioned this (didn’t read all 20 posts)… but Optimism has to pay it’s fee’s in Ethereum. You would basically just be calling Ethereum an Optimism token, kind of defeats the purpose.
Not to be rude, but this is a terrible idea - it goes against many of the principles outlined in the constitution; such an unecessary change.
A better idea would be to use the tokens to capture a portion of the daily ETH profits generated from processing transactions, and possibly even be required/used to run a validator/sequencer when that decentralizes.
I am agree with this idea,we can allow users to choose to use $eth or $op to pay for gas.
This will increase the liquidity between $OP and $eth.
We should encourage L1 validators to choose $OP when receiving tips
Posvalidator is different from powminer. Unlike the latter, the former has nothing to do with anything other than profits. It is more willing to participate in governance by investing in and making its own Eth and running node protection network.
I think $OP should use for sequencing transaction not paying gas fee.
I think change to buy back OP token from ETH gas.
ETH should be used to pay for transaction fees but the total supply is extremely high. I am in favor to reduce the total supply by governance vote. What’s the purpose of such a high supply? It cannot be reduced whereas ETH is burned