# 5th Citizens’ House community call \[October 31st, 4 PM UTC\]

**URL:** <https://gov.optimism.io/t/5th-citizens-house-community-call-october-31st-4-pm-utc/7033>\
**Category:** Updates  and Announcements 📢\
**Created:** [October 30, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://gov.optimism.io/t/5th-citizens-house-community-call-october-31st-4-pm-utc/7033 "2023-10-30T15:23:08Z")\
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**5th Citizens’ House Community Call Summary**

[Slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1mXAQz2kstQ9CHBnu8mEKT_r5IW5GguovSyQifFWv64Q/edit#slide=id.g2542d46421b_0_0)

**Application Review Process:**

- Over 850 RetroPGF3 applications were reviewed in the first round; 147 are pending in the second.
- An [appeals process](https://gov.optimism.io/t/retropgf-3-application-review-appeals/7051) is in place for projects that were removed.

**Badgeholder Manual:**

- Feedback is sought on the [Badgeholder Manual](https://plaid-cement-e44.notion.site/RetroPGF-3-Badgeholder-Manual-d580fdd0c91c4647853f92a62cd967a5) to guide the voting cycle.
- Recognition of the quorum issue for project voting thresholds and whether badgeholders should vote 0 or not vote at all for projects they believe have an impact gap of 0. Each application needs a minimum quorum of votes from 17 badgeholders to receive funding.
- Concerns and confusion about the voting weights and token distribution process. The Badgeholder Manual is referenced for clarity, with promises to add illustrative examples.

**Impact=Profit Framework**

- An [Impact=Profit Framework](https://gov.optimism.io/t/retropgf-impact-profit-framework/7034) has been developed to assess impact across various categories. It’s designed to aid badgeholders in evaluating projects by providing high-signal impact indicators.
- Discussion about balancing projects that extract more profit than have generated impact. A proposal is suggested to implement a threshold. Concerns about setting profitability thresholds are raised that might disincentivize exceeding allocated amounts.

**Impact Evaluation Framework:**

- [Impact Evaluation Framework](https://gov.optimism.io/t/retropgf-3-impact-evaluation-framework/7037) to be used for projects, stressing meaningful metrics.
- Importance of evaluating projects on performance, security, resilience, and metrics, especially in impact to the Optimism Collective.

**Workshops:**

- Jonas and Griff will be at Devconnect. [Onchain Summit Workshop](https://lu.ma/onchainsummit.istanbul)
- Meeting preparations for gathering RetroPGF folks in Istanbul, seeking volunteers for hosting.
- Upcoming impact evaluation workshops for badgeholders, with content to be available on YouTube.

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